Great interview. Curtis Yarvin is funny, clearly very intelligent, and presents numerous valid points about society, America, power and democracy ("democracy"?). I do not agree with his initial premise, which is that, basically, civilization has failed. We're going to toss out everything because of endless interventionism, gender studies professors run amok, and the fact there is no longer an economy in the Rust Belt...? For someone who makes repeated points about the need to dwell in reality, it does not seem very realistic that all members of society, least of all its most elite, are going to suddenly pivot in their beliefs and that society is going to change via top down fiat. Yarvin is every bit as much a social planner as are the far-leftists that want to re-make the world's 7 billion people into an egalitarian utopia.
I think emphasizing a voluntary/cooperative hierarchy built on trust (real leadership) would be a lot easier to accept for most people than the idea of subjugating oneself. Secondary to innate differences a free society will be hierarchical. It always takes violence to try to impose egalitarianism for this reason. Is this not a much more attractive (and accurate) message? The left tries to wield the bitterness of envy and jealousy to interfere with the formation of these mutually beneficial relationships. If this can be better understood, it can be thwarted.
Either read up on Gervais Principle, Counterelite Theory, Empire Theory, or Three Peoples/Religions, and see if this can be debugged from.
We know they are: overworked do-gooders are often blind idealist who likes prestige; often either naive progressives, pseudo-traditionalists, or libertarians; the ones who pays the most taxes and has the most chances to rebel; most likely to half-ass every plan-B for stability of plan-A and being at risk of fragility; concealing their real "face" since they have no heterodox ideas to share; are market-proof but not cancel-proof; will get radicalized into mass bloodsheds.
Great interview. Curtis Yarvin is funny, clearly very intelligent, and presents numerous valid points about society, America, power and democracy ("democracy"?). I do not agree with his initial premise, which is that, basically, civilization has failed. We're going to toss out everything because of endless interventionism, gender studies professors run amok, and the fact there is no longer an economy in the Rust Belt...? For someone who makes repeated points about the need to dwell in reality, it does not seem very realistic that all members of society, least of all its most elite, are going to suddenly pivot in their beliefs and that society is going to change via top down fiat. Yarvin is every bit as much a social planner as are the far-leftists that want to re-make the world's 7 billion people into an egalitarian utopia.
Plumber ooouuuuu
I think emphasizing a voluntary/cooperative hierarchy built on trust (real leadership) would be a lot easier to accept for most people than the idea of subjugating oneself. Secondary to innate differences a free society will be hierarchical. It always takes violence to try to impose egalitarianism for this reason. Is this not a much more attractive (and accurate) message? The left tries to wield the bitterness of envy and jealousy to interfere with the formation of these mutually beneficial relationships. If this can be better understood, it can be thwarted.
Either read up on Gervais Principle, Counterelite Theory, Empire Theory, or Three Peoples/Religions, and see if this can be debugged from.
We know they are: overworked do-gooders are often blind idealist who likes prestige; often either naive progressives, pseudo-traditionalists, or libertarians; the ones who pays the most taxes and has the most chances to rebel; most likely to half-ass every plan-B for stability of plan-A and being at risk of fragility; concealing their real "face" since they have no heterodox ideas to share; are market-proof but not cancel-proof; will get radicalized into mass bloodsheds.
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/
https://indiepf.com/michael-o-churchs-theory-of-3-class-ladders-in-america-archive
http://www.zzzptm.com/lss-002.html
https://thecontextofthings.com/2021/01/25/the-three-tiers-of-work-and-life
https://nextchapterconsulting.ca/2021/10/31/are-you-a-pedestrian-passenger-or-pilot
https://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2019/12/my-three-peoples-vs-yarvins-three-layers.html
https://samoburja.com/empire-theory-part-ii-power-dynamics
https://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-three-peoples-and-power.html
https://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2018/07/meaning-and-three-peoples.html
https://americanmanifestobook.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-three-forms-of-social-control.html
https://alexdanco.com/2021/07/08/michael-dwight-and-andy-the-three-aesthetics-of-the-creative-class
https://dwarkeshpatel.com/barbell-strategies
https://alima.substack.com/p/midwits-and-the-office
https://sachink.substack.com/p/midwits-and-meta-contrarianism
https://swellandcut.com/2018/09/26/in-plain-sight
http://charman-anderson.com/2010/02/04/the-impenetrable-layer-of-suck
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-fussell-on-class/comment/1358393
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-fussell-on-class/comment/1350555
Fuuuuck, it looks like I've got some work to do, thanks for this curated list, I'll be referencing it going forward for sure!
And 3 months later, I got way more BS to add to the heap, since being a trainwreck of a writer scares me.
On more clarity of Midwit thinking https://novum.substack.com/p/elite-overproduction-a-story-of-russia/comment/7119404
On barbell thinking https://etiennefd.substack.com/p/becoming-ambitious/comment/6878909
On knowing how to read https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/well-read
On being played as "special" https://sashachapin.substack.com/p/animal-fries-and-sociopathy
On the half-way of men https://normielisation.substack.com/p/personal-cheems-mindset
On how different demographics prefer different ideas https://bewrong.substack.com/p/what-do-ideas-want
On false revolutions and wonky ideas https://cactus.substack.com/p/firehose-of-bullshit-2-the-permanent/comment/7119972