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Freebee34's avatar

I have family in Shenzhen and have been there many times, agree with you that it is the most "American" part of china. Everyone there is hustling and there are far fewer nosy anties to deal with. Hard disagreement on the bakeries front. What they have in Schenzhen (and much of Asia) is patisseries. The bread there is much too soft and tasteless. Fresh Mantou can be extremely delicious if done fresh but youll need to go outside of south china to get it done properly. For food Schenzhen is second tier as the locals are too busy making money to really focus on food. Like san Fransisco the industries in Schenzhen are not complementary to highest quality food. For the best south china food head north-west to Guangzhou, south to HK, or northeast to huizhou.

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The wild thing is that China actually has had, since the early 1980s, a design that in some of the most key areas more closely resembles old America’s system than contemporary America does.

China today resembles the pre-Neoliberal Era, but especially pre-WW2 USA in important structural ways. And that is that old America was and current day China is a system with highly decentralized economic, governmental, scientific, and financial structures. In both systems, most all real decision-making occurred locally and regionally, provincial and municipal developmental competition in China; state, municipal, civic, and regionally based industrial systems in old USA.

A thing I get a kick out of is that in the latter 1970s and early 1980s, some CPC local party branches actually referenced the reforms of the mi 19th century American Jacksonians to argue for the reforms that ended up being enacted, and the Chinese system has in key ways looked remarkably like the system of America from the 1830s until well after ww2, for examples, the Guangzhou Municipal Party School in the late 1970s, there are reports from interviews with later reform officials (such as in Deng era memoirs) that Guangzhou’s reformist intellectual circles made reference to designs established during the period of Jacksonian Democracy such as infrastructure financing models, local tax share-dominance and retention, the benefits of city-led economic experimentation, etc. And the Shanghai Economic Research Institutes in the early 1980s compared 19th century Americas city-state relationships to their desired trajectory for Chinese coastal cities, which were strong port cities with fiscal and legal tools to manage foreign trade, investment, and currency operations.

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