I have family in Shenzhen and have been there many times, agree with you that it is the most "American" part of china. Everyone there is hustling and there are far fewer nosy anties to deal with. Hard disagreement on the bakeries front. What they have in Schenzhen (and much of Asia) is patisseries. The bread there is much too soft and tasteless. Fresh Mantou can be extremely delicious if done fresh but youll need to go outside of south china to get it done properly. For food Schenzhen is second tier as the locals are too busy making money to really focus on food. Like san Fransisco the industries in Schenzhen are not complementary to highest quality food. For the best south china food head north-west to Guangzhou, south to HK, or northeast to huizhou.
The wild thing is that China actually has had, since the early 1980s, a design that in some of the most key areas more closely resembles old America’s system than contemporary America does.
China today resembles the pre-Neoliberal Era, but especially pre-WW2 USA in important structural ways. And that is that old America was and current day China is a system with highly decentralized economic, governmental, scientific, and financial structures. In both systems, most all real decision-making occurred locally and regionally, provincial and municipal developmental competition in China; state, municipal, civic, and regionally based industrial systems in old USA.
A thing I get a kick out of is that in the latter 1970s and early 1980s, some CPC local party branches actually referenced the reforms of the mi 19th century American Jacksonians to argue for the reforms that ended up being enacted, and the Chinese system has in key ways looked remarkably like the system of America from the 1830s until well after ww2, for examples, the Guangzhou Municipal Party School in the late 1970s, there are reports from interviews with later reform officials (such as in Deng era memoirs) that Guangzhou’s reformist intellectual circles made reference to designs established during the period of Jacksonian Democracy such as infrastructure financing models, local tax share-dominance and retention, the benefits of city-led economic experimentation, etc. And the Shanghai Economic Research Institutes in the early 1980s compared 19th century Americas city-state relationships to their desired trajectory for Chinese coastal cities, which were strong port cities with fiscal and legal tools to manage foreign trade, investment, and currency operations.
As someone who spent a lot of time wandering around cities in western China and admiring their urban planning, I enjoyed most of this article. Too bad you had to throw "retarded" in there to show us what a cool guy you are—it makes you look small-minded and mean.
The only time I've been to Shenzhen was in the mid 1990s. It was impressive then, your photos make it look even more impressive now.
The reason I went there was to help Huawei install some networking gear my company (not Cisco) made. Turns out that, just like they did with Cisco, they were pirating/reverse engineering the good bits. You can argue, with some reason, that this is not unlike what other countries did earlier, but it seems to me that China has done more of it with less care about IP rights than anyone else. I'm going to be highly amused if a US battery company pirates BYDs technology
China is doing well because they were able to start from zero and leapfrog the US.
Of course, they were able to start from zero because of the disaster of Mao's Great Leap Forward which killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million people, depending on who you ask but who's counting.
And China will continue to prosper, not because of IQ (which is below certain ethnic groups in the US) but because they have been able to steal American technology.
Nobody is using the parks because the time they would use them is lunch and the proper use of lunchtime is improving your personal network with colleagues or university friends or whoever. 100% agree with Freebee about the bakeries; Asian bread is very much an acquired taste and in 20 years in China I never acquired it.
It’s ridiculous and aggravating how safe cities are in Asia and Europe compared with American cities. We could clean up and arrest all criminals, but no one dares to do it for fear of being called racist.
There's an irony in you mentioning crime and criminal rights- America does lock up more people (in both % and absolute numbers) than China, but most of what feels like crime in America is just poor, desperate, sometimes mentally ill people being in public. It's not a refusal to lock people up; is a refusal to do anything to help except lock people up.
I have family in Shenzhen and have been there many times, agree with you that it is the most "American" part of china. Everyone there is hustling and there are far fewer nosy anties to deal with. Hard disagreement on the bakeries front. What they have in Schenzhen (and much of Asia) is patisseries. The bread there is much too soft and tasteless. Fresh Mantou can be extremely delicious if done fresh but youll need to go outside of south china to get it done properly. For food Schenzhen is second tier as the locals are too busy making money to really focus on food. Like san Fransisco the industries in Schenzhen are not complementary to highest quality food. For the best south china food head north-west to Guangzhou, south to HK, or northeast to huizhou.
The wild thing is that China actually has had, since the early 1980s, a design that in some of the most key areas more closely resembles old America’s system than contemporary America does.
China today resembles the pre-Neoliberal Era, but especially pre-WW2 USA in important structural ways. And that is that old America was and current day China is a system with highly decentralized economic, governmental, scientific, and financial structures. In both systems, most all real decision-making occurred locally and regionally, provincial and municipal developmental competition in China; state, municipal, civic, and regionally based industrial systems in old USA.
A thing I get a kick out of is that in the latter 1970s and early 1980s, some CPC local party branches actually referenced the reforms of the mi 19th century American Jacksonians to argue for the reforms that ended up being enacted, and the Chinese system has in key ways looked remarkably like the system of America from the 1830s until well after ww2, for examples, the Guangzhou Municipal Party School in the late 1970s, there are reports from interviews with later reform officials (such as in Deng era memoirs) that Guangzhou’s reformist intellectual circles made reference to designs established during the period of Jacksonian Democracy such as infrastructure financing models, local tax share-dominance and retention, the benefits of city-led economic experimentation, etc. And the Shanghai Economic Research Institutes in the early 1980s compared 19th century Americas city-state relationships to their desired trajectory for Chinese coastal cities, which were strong port cities with fiscal and legal tools to manage foreign trade, investment, and currency operations.
As someone who spent a lot of time wandering around cities in western China and admiring their urban planning, I enjoyed most of this article. Too bad you had to throw "retarded" in there to show us what a cool guy you are—it makes you look small-minded and mean.
Do you live your life crying every time anyone says retarded? How do you even use this site?
No tears, I just think less of you.
The only time I've been to Shenzhen was in the mid 1990s. It was impressive then, your photos make it look even more impressive now.
The reason I went there was to help Huawei install some networking gear my company (not Cisco) made. Turns out that, just like they did with Cisco, they were pirating/reverse engineering the good bits. You can argue, with some reason, that this is not unlike what other countries did earlier, but it seems to me that China has done more of it with less care about IP rights than anyone else. I'm going to be highly amused if a US battery company pirates BYDs technology
China is doing well because they were able to start from zero and leapfrog the US.
Of course, they were able to start from zero because of the disaster of Mao's Great Leap Forward which killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million people, depending on who you ask but who's counting.
And China will continue to prosper, not because of IQ (which is below certain ethnic groups in the US) but because they have been able to steal American technology.
How do you end up with better technology from stealing American technology?
Nobody is using the parks because the time they would use them is lunch and the proper use of lunchtime is improving your personal network with colleagues or university friends or whoever. 100% agree with Freebee about the bakeries; Asian bread is very much an acquired taste and in 20 years in China I never acquired it.
It’s ridiculous and aggravating how safe cities are in Asia and Europe compared with American cities. We could clean up and arrest all criminals, but no one dares to do it for fear of being called racist.
There's an irony in you mentioning crime and criminal rights- America does lock up more people (in both % and absolute numbers) than China, but most of what feels like crime in America is just poor, desperate, sometimes mentally ill people being in public. It's not a refusal to lock people up; is a refusal to do anything to help except lock people up.
That's total BS and you know it.
Go google it.
But what happens if you try and browse the non Chinese internet?
Unironically the most exciting place on earth today